Rocky Anderson's Solution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

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The Challenge

For decades, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been one of the key sources of global geo-political instability. The perception throughout the Arab and Muslim world that the American government has been unduly biased towards the Israelis, and have blocked the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinian people, has stirred up an enormous amount of antagonism towards the US. The Pew Global Attitudes Project found that the Middle East was the region of the world where the US was most unpopular, and that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was a key reason for this.[1]  This has numerous devastating effects, such as terrorism directed against the United States and its facilities and allies abroad, as well as difficulties in building strong coalitions to counter the economic, environmental, and security threats facing us today.

We must recognize and constructively deal with the antagonism. There exists a universally recognized solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, one which is enshrined in international law, accepted by virtually the entire UN General Assembly,[2] and has been explicitly accepted by all major Palestinian and Arab actors for decades. The solution is UN Security Council Resolution 242 – the “two-state solution” – which calls for:

1.     Withdrawal by the Israeli military from all territories occupied in the June 1967 “Six Day” War.

2.     A just resolution of the refugee problem, involving a mix of resettlement and compensation.

3.     Cessation of hostilities by all parties in the conflict.

This approach was advanced to the UN Security Council by the Arab states for the first time in 1976, whereupon it was vetoed by the Carter Administration.[3]  It was explicitly endorsed by the Palestinians at the UN General Assembly in 1988,[4] but despite having been continually renewed by the Arab states and the Palestinians, most notably at the 2002 Beirut Summit of the Arab League,[5] it has been consistently rejected by Israel and the US since the early 1970’s.

To illustrate the extreme nature of the US’s position on this matter, the resolution is voted on every year by the UN General Assembly, and the US and Israel are the only countries in the world that consistently vote against it. All other parties to the conflict – Hamas,[6] Hezbollah,[7] Iran[8] – have openly stated their acceptance of it.

Such a settlement would mean the resumption of diplomatic ties between Israel and the rest of the Middle East, the commencement of economic, social, and political ties between Israel and the Palestinians, and an enormous reduction in the global instability that has plagued the United States and many other nations for so many years.

 

 The Record of the Democratic and Republican Parties

Both the Democratic and Republican Parties have been equally guilty of blocking the implementation of a universally recognized peaceful resolution. Under the Bush Administration, Israeli settlements on Palestinian land continued apace, the Annexation Wall which appends 12% of the West Bank to Israel was built, and, as Ariel Sharon’s troops killed 5,500 Palestinians during the Second Intifada,[9] George W. Bush’s response was to call him “a man of peace.”[10]

President Obama’s position has continued in the same vein. During Operation Cast Lead, the Israeli attack on Gaza described by Amnesty International as “22 days of death and destruction,”[11] Obama, days away from assuming office, stated that were rockets raining down on his daughters’ heads while they slept, he would do something about it. He was referring only to Palestinian rockets; he made no such qualification about Israeli missiles raining down on Palestinian heads.[12] That statement served as a precursor of the utter disregard for Palestinian rights that Obama has displayed throughout his presidency.

Israel continues to build settlements on what international law recognizes to be Palestinian land – notably in East Jerusalem – without receiving any meaningful censure from the US government, which continues to fund the Israeli government to the tune of $3 Billion per year, with no threat of cessation. At the same time, President Obama makes comments such as “Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided,” a comment in flagrant violation of international law, which recognizes East Jerusalem to be as much a part of Israel as Washington D.C. is a part of Canada.

This approach of according Israelis rights that are denied to the Palestinians has ensured that the conflict continues unabated, with increasing insecurity for Palestinians as well as Israelis. In addition, as General Petraeus has stated, the US bias in the conflict foments anti-American sentiment in the Middle East, which increases the threat towards our troops, as well as, ultimately, towards our nation and residents of the U.S.[13]

Incredibly, the GOP reprimands Obama for not being even more biased towards Israeli interests, going as far, in some instances, as to deny the existence of Palestinian people and of Palestinian rights.[14]

The failure to constructively address this issue is bipartisan, and can only be fixed by someone not wedded to the interests of the Democratic or Republican Parties and who is willing to challenge the destructive, power of the lobbyist group that exacerbates the drastic bias of both the White House and Congress, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).

 

 Rocky Anderson’s Approach Toward a Solution

            With the resolute, principled leadership of Rocky Anderson, long-term peace in the Middle East is possible.  Unlike the Obama and Bush administrations, Anderson’s administration will make a peaceful resolution of the Israel-Palestinian conflict a top priority.

The longer the conflict continues, the greater the insecurity that will be inflicted on both sides. Unquestioning support for Israeli government actions, misguidedly called ‘pro-Israeli policies,’ are in fact policies that increase the antagonism throughout the Middle East and Muslim world towards both Israel and the US, which has an array of negative, potentially disastrous, consequences.

As detailed above, the solution to the conflict is simple, and accepted by the whole world, as well as all major protagonists to the conflict, excluding Israel and the US. So long as Israel continues to place primacy on land rather than peace, tensions will continue to rise, and violence will continue to flare. The Anderson Administration would adopt the same principles towards Israel that it would to any and every country – namely, to withdraw diplomatic and financial support if that country is in flagrant violation of international law or abuses human rights. It is unconditional US support that has facilitated Israel’s position of land over peace.  Making clear that US support is conditional will ensure that Israel is compelled to act in accordance with the law, and accept the universally recognized “two-state solution,” thus bringing the conflict to a close.

The benefits will be numerous and accrue to all parties. The Palestinians will have the justice they have been denied for so long, with the opportunity to build their own state. In the Arab and Muslim world, currently being convulsed by democratic forces, a huge and unprecedented amount of goodwill will accrue towards the US, thus aiding our ability to find partners and build coalitions throughout the world in order to meet our key economic, environmental, and security-related challenges. The Israeli people, who have been living for so long in ostracism and insecurity, will finally be able to integrate fully into the Middle East, and to know a life where they are no longer in a state of perpetual war.

 

 

 

[1] http://pewresearch.org/pubs/6/arab-and-muslim-perceptions-of-the-united-states 

[2] http://www.un.org/documents/resga.htm

 

[3]http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/696d540fd7821bce0525651c00736250?OpenDocument

 

[4] http://mondediplo.com/focus/mideast/arafat88-en

 

[5] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/monitoring/media_reports/1899395.stm

 

[6] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124899975954495435.html

 

[7] http://www.zcommunications.org/meeting-sayyid-hassan-nasrallah-encounter-with-a-fighter-by-assaf-kfoury

 

[8] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/5225705/Irans-President-would-support-two-state-solution-for-Israel.html

 

[9] www.btselem.org/English/Statistics/Casualties.asp

 

[10] http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/19/news/19iht-prexy_ed3_.html?pagewanted=all

 

[11] http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/impunity-war-crimes-gaza-southern-israel-recipe-further-civilian-suffering-20090702

 

[12] http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/world/middleeast/28diplo.html

 

[13] http://www.haaretz.com/news/u-s-general-israel-palestinian-conflict-foments-anti-u-s-sentiment-1.264910

 

[14] http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/newt-gingrich-palestinians-are-an-invented-people-1.400596


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Judson Witham commented 2012-11-20 22:53:44 -0700 · Flag
Killing Families makes Israel a Terrorist … Murder is Murder any way You Slice It
Louis Darnell commented 2012-10-23 13:07:09 -0600 · Flag
I’d say that is about as accurate an appraisal of how the situation stacks up as any that have appeared so far here.
Frank Grimes commented 2012-10-23 11:10:06 -0600 · Flag
It’s funny how people ASSume that Palestinians are raised to hate Isralies, but somehow Israeli’s are completely innocent. This is a laughably joke of a statement of someone who lives off of the spoon fed dribble of AIPAC. All you have to do is go to Israel and see how their children are raised and you’ll see that hatred is mutual. The only difference is the hatred of Israel is backed by $3billion plus annual of US tax dollars worth of weapons.
Louis Darnell commented 2012-10-10 11:23:17 -0600 · Flag
“Read up on the history”, you say….whose “history” or twistory as I’d prefer to call it? Based on the known four thousand years’ record of the jews as the inventors of the black slave trade in Egypt and as usurers and counterfeiters throughout that entire time, I’d say their version of “history” including their proclaimed biblical “entitlement” to what people refer to as Israel is certainly open to witticism and criticism to put it mildly——this is not to say that all Palestinian Arabs walk upon water but their dog in this fight is either grossly misrepresented or downright nonrepresented by the jewish controlled maggotry of the lame stream media in America flatly despite the most recent and laughably false claims that the Obama regime is “selling out our ally” , israel….which is worse than pathetic Beltway Theater to try to con the masses of this country into believing that Israel has ever once been our “ally” in any sane sense of the term.
Jim Smith commented 2012-10-10 08:41:01 -0600 · Flag
I’ve read the article above and many of the comments below. I don’t know the answer for Middle East peace between the Palestinians and Israelis but it has to start with 2 sides that genuinely want peace. The Palestinian society (along with much of the Muslim world) raises their children on hatred for the jews. It’s a fact and very easy to find through your search engine. The wall was built for a reason. How can you expect the Israelis to open their arms to the Palestinians when Palestinian society was sending its’ children over to Israelis restaurants, shopping malls, busses, etc. to indiscriminantly kill women, children and old people? I didn’t see any Israeli children strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up Palestinian families.

Only until you break this cycle of hate will there be a chance for any lasting peace. As one commenter stated; not any of the parties representing Palestinians are willing to acknowledge that Israel exists. How can you negotiate a peace with a side that will not recognize your country. Until the Palestinians decide they want peace it’s not going to happen. Israel has its own faults but they have said over and over they want to live in peace.

Read up on the history. I’m amazed that after the terrible suicide bomb attacks in Israel there are still those that want the wall to come down. Personally, as long as I thought my neighbor was a threat I would leave the walls and fences in place.

Raising children on hatred is a terrible injustice!!
Robert Hauser commented 2012-08-28 18:11:43 -0600 · Flag
I would concur w/ Udensi --and any “accord” on paper would be no better than the paper it was written upon anyway as Israel would ignore it and most likely the Arabs would as well figuring the jews of Israel would never have honored it anyway so why should they? The entire situation in Israel is almost daily compounded in complexity at least as far back as the Balfour Declaration. And I flatly disagree with Scott Baker that the people in America should be made to “cough up” any funds whatsoever over there as that is largely what was the cause of much of this misery in the first place, not to mention that the U.S. is currently an economic Chernobyl due to the insanely reckless spending like drunken sailors of the tax slaves’ counterfeited money on everything that it should never have been squandered upon. If that sounds like isolationism then most likely that is because it is. With an actual as opposed to USDL lying jobless rate of 41% in this country (Blanchard bulletin) America is hardly justified in further wastage of funds in or upon Israel or elsewhere in the Mideast—-whether it needs to be abruptly cut off (as it should anyway) or “gently” phased out, it must be done for the good of our own people for a grossly overdue change——all this completely aside from the fact that America is under absolutely no obligation either under the precepts of time honored International Law (which does NOT include the UN Charter written by the communist traitor, Alger Hiss) nor more importantly under any civilized moral code to subsidize the bad habits and idiosyncracies of other nations very much including Israel—-in fact particularly Israel as that Sewer State has repeatedly proven itself to be such a consummate succubus on our backs.
Chris Leaning commented 2012-08-28 15:27:51 -0600 · Flag
The Rothschild’s will never allow you to do this unfortunately, no position in our government is as powerful as our government’s debts to their family and JP Morgan and chase. They want the war so they can profiteer from selling arms to both sides.
Udensi Philips commented 2012-08-17 13:46:30 -0600 · Flag
Sincerely speaking I dont see isrealis and palestinians living together because the seed of hatred,bitterness and acrimony has already been inplanted in the minds of their generations and so erasing this is not a political thing.However withdrawals to pre-67’ positions might make a good start.
Ann Catherine Keirns commented 2012-08-17 10:47:30 -0600 · Flag
Now that is not only sensible but ought to work for everyone’s benefit!
Scott Baker commented 2012-07-06 13:19:59 -0600 · Flag
From my article on Huffington Post: Can’t We All Just Get Along? A Modest Proposal for Settlements on the Israeli West Bank (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-baker/cant-we-all-just-get-alon_1_b_798800.html):

Israel, whether it chooses to acknowledge it or not (or we do), is heading toward a one-state solution, one that includes the Palestinians as part of their citizenship. They may wish the Palestinian problem would go away. But their Arab neighbors have no reason, nor inclination, to accept millions of Palestinians into their midst. The reasons for this are well-known and I won’t rehash them here.

But, knowing that, and believing, as I do, in turning a problem into a solution, I propose the following:

Keep the settlements, but — after thorough screening and background checks — allow one third of the new apartments to go to Palestinian families (the apartments must be of equal quality). If the Palestinian families don’t have the money, I think the U.S. or international community could be persuaded to cough it up in the interest of peace and interdependency. We’ve certainly subsidized lesser causes.

I’ve long thought a two-state solution — with “Palestine” bifurcated down the middle by their hated Israel, was a geopolitical impossibility. By forcing these two people’s to live together, at least those who are realistic, with a common interest in their mutual housing and environs, both people would be moving toward the inevitable co-mingling of their populations.

I think two-state (now, three state?) proposals are disingenuous at best — from the Israeli side they are a delaying tactic, since the concessions necessary for co-existence, including disarmament and recognition, will never be met; from the Palestinian side they are a part of a strategy of slowly, inexorably, pushing Israel into the sea — I’ve never heard any credible proposal as to how a Palestinian state (let alone one as divided as Gaza and the West Bank are now) would be run. Instead, they hope for the “promised land” of an undivided Palestine. No significant Palestinian leader has recognized Israel’s right to exist, or even renounced armed struggle — they would not be leaders for long if they did.

Imagine if one had a magic box, and could place all hatred and feelings of vengeance inside it from both sides. Don’t worry! We have not gotten rid of those feelings, just put them inside the magic box, for now.

What would be left?

Well, there would still be enormous logistical challenges as to how to live in a parched, crowded, economically disparate region. The first thing a logical body politic would do is to tear down the wall, then they would improve the transportation and infrastructure, share the water and electricity etc. They would share access to the Mediterranean Sea.

This is an interesting thought-experiment and one both sides should consider, if just to sober themselves up to the honest practical realities of the situation in their New Jersey-sized homeland.

Of course, they won’t. None of this will happen while each side is at each other’s throat. But, by sharing their neighborhood, a lot could be accomplished. Think small first, then big, not the other way around — which hasn’t worked.

And if some Israeli settlers just can’t bear to live with any Palestinians, they should be moved to Israel proper, willingly or not.

It is time for new solutions. The Road Map was a dead-end. The Two-State solution is a geopolitical impossibility. Obama’s unimaginative pleadings, “Are you two peoples ready for peace now?” will only grant him snickers and disrespect from a region where respect is everything.

The annihilation of Israel is in no one’s interest, not even the Arabs, who would then have to contend with thousands of suddenly unemployed terrorists (and likely, so would Europe, as that would be the next logical stop to recreate their Caliphate – this has been spoken of by Muslim leaders many times).

At the same time, the fourth-world existence of the Gazans and that of their slightly better-off but impatient third-world cousins in the West Bank cannot continue.

Obama promised Change, oh so long ago, but lofty speeches have to be backed up by a practical plan.

Share the buildings, share the land, save the world.
Lee Anderson commented 2012-07-06 09:36:10 -0600 · Flag
Steve Levine you make my point. You haven’t attacked the facts only me. Ad hominem attacks don’t belong on this site. The facts speak for themselves. Nowhere did I suggest that I don’t like Jews in particular and nowhere did I suggest I didn’t believe the holocaust happened. What I don’t like is the Israel Lobby and influence over our media and foreign policy; I give you Project for the New American Century (PNAC) as one example of American Corporate Zionists wanting to project American power throughout the world, and I hope everyone here checks out the membership of the US Azerbaijan Chamber of commerce. This group wants the US taxpayers to fund the infrastructure of Azerbaijan on the west coast of the Caspian Sea so that the transnational oil companies can get their stolen product to world markets. i.e., COMMUNIST China. It’s a bit more than coincidental that the places they most want to project American military and corporate power also have the greatest finite resources, once again, The Caspian Sea Basin, Iraq and Iran. Rupert Murdoch of Mordor is a business partner with Lord Jacob Rothschild in a shale oil deal in Israel. http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000602575&fid=1725
Murdoch runs the Fox in the Henhouse, in other words, the fox in charge of bringing down America from within. Their greatest weapons are false patriotism and false religious fervor. I’ve just given you some examples. Here is an excerpt that sums up the way we are controlled, not my words but state the case as to why, perhaps, Rocky Anderson also wants to revise the role of the Federal Reserve.
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“Did You Ever Wonder Why The National Debt Keeps Going Up and Up?
One of the most ungodly and fraudulent institutions ever perpetrated on the American people and the world, is the Federal Reserve System which through deceit became the central bank of the United States in 1913. The idea came about on a meeting in Jekyll Island off the coast of Georgia in 1910. The bankers in this country, especially J.P. Morgan, created a currency panic in 1907 in order to get the American people to accept the idea of a central bank.
A central bank already existed in England from as far back as 1694. The Rothschilds completely dominate the banking system. It is estimated their wealth goes into the trillions.
Baron Nathan Mayer Rothschild boasted:
• “I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man that controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply.”
The idea of a central bank is to so enslave the people of the country to a debt money system that you continue to collect taxes continuously which just covers the interest. The duped people of the United States are paying about $400 billion dollars per year to the IRS which is the collection agency for the Federal Reserve. By the way, the Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank with 10 private members. The Chase Manhattan Bank is a member which is owned by the Rockefellers who are Rothschild Agents.”
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Now Mr. Levine, go look at the ownership of the major media in this country and tell me there is not a disproportionate Israeli Zionist connection and thus a censorship of nearly all things critical of Israel and Israeli aggression. Where is the Hollywood movie about the brave Americans and the brutal attack on the USS Liberty by the Israeli Air Force in 1967?
All three Abrahamic religions are based on original sin and the talking snake. The victors write the history books. I reject organized religion and don’t consider Judaism to be any more or less valid than the other organized religions that confuse mythology, allegory, some history, and outright BS as indisputable fact. By the way, I also am vehemently opposed to the oil lobby, the military industrial complex lobby—these two have a symbiotic relationship— pharma, health insurance and not least the Monsanto GMO lobby. All of these powerful money laden influences are gaining influence while working Americans are losing our voice. Many corporate board members sit on each other’s boards because they have common interests; war is often a common interest, and many are able to refine their message to the public by virtue of ownership of the media, remember GE, nuclear weapons manufacturer, owns MSNBC. GE makes rotary cannons that fire depleted uranium (nuclear waste) at the Iraqis and Afghanistanis in order to steal their oil and minerals and ensure a substantial opium crop is available for the CIA to launder money to fund black ops among other criminal activities. Hamid Karzai, the puppet dictator our oil administration (GW Bush) placed on the Afghanistan throne had a brother who was an international drug lord supported by the CIA. The CIA created the Mujhadeen which Al Qaeda sprang from. It goes on and on. Have you looked up the Dancing Israelis from the 9/11 days?

Here are some links for you and others to peruse outlining who controls the message in America. Next time attack the facts and not me. The facts speak for themselves.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editorials/September/8%20o/Zionism%20and%20the%20Media%20By%20Donald%20Dinelli.htm
http://www.stormfront.org/jewish/whorules.html
Joel House commented 2012-07-06 00:12:27 -0600 · Flag
I’m sorry when I see this of all sites used for personal flame wars. It’s supposed to be for discussion of the issues presented. They are important issues an entitled to civil discussion..

Rocky is proposing we reevaluate the positions taken in our foreign policy. We were once the nation most admired in the world. We were the destination of choice by people who want liberty and justice. Now we’re loathed in many areas of the world and reviled in many more. The world doesn’t trust us and that’s because of lousy leadership either by design or ineptitude. We don’t need to use this site for history perspectives revisionist or otherwise, We’re in a heap of trouble guys, any ideas on how we’re going to fix that? What do you think of what Rocky Anderson has to say, it’s his site, after all.

JH
Robert Hauser commented 2012-07-05 22:50:09 -0600 · Flag
His Bean-Fed Excellency, steve levine, once again encroacheth…Well, now, unless the self-chosen have completely reinvented the English language for their own sole and exclusive benefit like they have done just about everything else throughout their four millennia of squalid tribal history, the progressive past tense of the verb “levy” is “levied” so your parenthetic “sic” is sick alright. As usual, steven, in replying to your rank trollerism, I always end up feeling like a mosquito in a nudist colony——I simply don’t know where to begin.

You use the expression “you and your kind” in reference to myself and Lee….my,my,my…and when, either on this thread or the 51 bullets where I have given your pathetic absurdities a thorough trouncing on more than one occasion, have I ever resorted to thumping a so called “holy book” that has undergone at least seventeen major revisions since the alleged Ascension? Not once that I recall.

As usual and typical of your tribe psycho of pilpullers, you arrogate yourself to willfully and knowingly misquoting me and putting your words in my mouth which I find as fully distasteful as putting the digested junk food you must live on there as well——the National Socialist Germans were humans—-no less and no more and being such were generally subject to human foibles, no less and no more. But unlike most in the world, had the good sense to see the stark jewishness of world communism (aka Poale Zionism) and of its bedmate, international debt currency banksterism.

As to what I refer to as the HOLLOWHOAX, whether it actually did or did not take place, it, mythical or not, and its constantly rubberlunged reminder have certainly proven to be quite lucrative for you and your ilk haven’t they? I have said and say again that World War II was THE holocaust with 55 million dead, most of whom were civilians and the vast majority whereof, hollowhoax or not, were NOT jewish. Where is their 47 million dollar memorial unlawfully built at tax slaves’ expense on federal property? One might also note that the absolutely jewish controlled and owned “federal reserve bank” cleared a nice cool 40 billion off that conflict which I am sure grates not the least on whatever excuse for a conscience you might have.

No one denies that jews were shot dead or otherwise offed by the Germans during the war - all of these jews were fighting on the allied and mostly bolschevic side and the majority of them were guerrillas (NOT “partisans”) and the Einsatzgruppen were fully justified in the way they dealt with them as anyone could determine for themselves from the Convention of the Hague going back to 1908—-perhaps you should look into some of the methods the U.S. army used in dealing with Philippinos in 1899-1900 who were fighting on their own soil for their own self-determination against American colonialism and then come bellyache to me about your precious self-chosen ones.

And as regards myself and my type populating the cess pools of America, steve, the ugly and most readily observable fact is that what was once a great country has itself morphed into a huge pelagic cess pool due to the infestation of you and your squalid ilk. America is now an allegedly “great” country only when seen through the windows of a Wall Street executive suite by some jaundiced-eyed parasite who aggrandizes himself by producing nothing and taking everything—-remember, steve…leolom tekach.

See you on 51 bullets, chump
Steve Levine commented 2012-07-05 10:24:59 -0600 · Flag
Thanks for the “history” lesson, Lee. Biblical scholars like yourself (objective, well credentialed and quite knowledgeable) are hard to find; Rocky should feel a sense of relief…if not a little wariness as well…knowing that such an intellect is on-board his team.

Years ago, before Zionist became a PC synonym for Jewish, haters referred to the press as “Jewish controlled media;” today you and your kind (e.g. herr hauser) are much more comfortable, if no more informed, using the expression “Zionist controlled media.”

Of course despite your lamentation to the contrary, “there can actually be discussions about Israel/American relations without charges of anti-Semitism being levied (sic).” However, it wouldn’t be a bad idea if such discussions excluded people like yourself and herr hauser whose pre-disposition and, at least in hauser’s case, DNA composition, seems to include Jew-hatred. (Or am I wrong, Lee? Perhaps some of your best friends are Jewish!)

I hope that however extreme your prejudice might be, it doesn’t match herr hauser’s. He has been known to claim that: 1) The Nazis were peace loving, gentle folks; 2) The Holocaust never happened; and 3) Whatever DID happen, the Jewish victims were responsible for themselves.

If Rocky is ever going to be taken seriously as a candidate for President, he has to disavow the extremist, hate-filled irrationality of the nut case fringe who populate the swamps and cesspools of our great country!
Lee Anderson commented 2012-06-22 16:41:40 -0600 · Flag
I think Rocky’s outline and solution is sound and I also understand why he can’t get traction with the American/Zionist controlled media.

Considering the majority ownership of our major media and financial institutions it’s no wonder we don’t ever hear any discussion on how much US tax money goes to Israel and to Israel’s military, not least the details of the Israel expansion into Palestine. We don’t hear how much oil reserves Israel has or doesn’t (they don’t) or how heavily they are represented in the NeoCon administration of GW Bush and the mid-East war machine nor even Obama’s administration. We don’t have an audit of their nuclear capacity even while they stage in Azerbaijan for an imminent strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities, not proven to be for weapons. We need a thorough investigation of AIPAC, perhaps Wolf Blitzer could moderate that panel. Let any discussion include a sidebar on the NeoCon creation, the US Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce, why this entity was created (to use US taxpayer money to build Azerbaijan’s infrastructure so the Caspian oil and gas can be shipped to world markets) and how they are helping Israel stage for attack on Iran.

BTW Steve Levine, there can actually be discussions about Israel/American relations without charges of anti-Semitism being levied. That “anti-Semitism” bit is tired, over used and is another form of censorship. Here’s a point to ponder about Jewish history.

Moses went up the mountain and received the Ten Commandments DIRECTLY from GOD. One commandment says, Though Shall Not Kill. The tablets were placed in the Ark of the Covenant and the Hebrews carried them into many battles they marched north on the way to Canaan and Philistine and Jerusalem. They must have set the Ark down while they slaughtered every living thing in Jericho, every man, women, child and animal, every living thing.

Though shall not kill, not even Palestinians.
Joel House commented 2012-05-13 19:48:59 -0600 · Flag
It could be good. But passing on the idea that each of us has a duty to ourselves and our nation to think about the word “democracy” and then to decide whether we have one or we’re being bamboozled, is what it’s going to take. It’s not much when you think about it. Just a simple question. You and I could ask our friends to ask their friends. But then there’d be that responsibility we’d share for a whole lot of people being pissed off at their conclusions.

We should ask even if ideas are dangerous.

JH Gordon
author of
Fireclosure
http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/98807
Jerry Scott commented 2012-05-13 19:18:57 -0600 · Flag
Sounds good.
Joel House commented 2012-05-11 18:53:55 -0600 · Flag
I believe Rocky Anderson has the right idea. We have to promote peace and end our involvement in aggression. I think this couples well with ending our dependance on oil and pursuing alternative clean energy. It also couples correctly with proper redress for past actions that may be considered war crimes by American politicians throughout the middle east. Because it’s all about the perception of equality and liberty and justice; It has to be real.

If we honestly wish for peace in the world and therefore reduce our concerns about terrorism, we must show America is just as “just” as we purport it to be. We need to investigate our own culpability for the atrocity of war. Was it all false flag? Was it all to divert our attention from massive war profiteering? Well, nobody is asking.

Nobody is asking about what happened on Wall Street or who’s responsible. Can anyone deny that what happened on Wall Street plunged the world economy into dire straights? Are not the bankers giddy with opportunity? Were they not the cause?

We look like what we are; a country corrupt at the top. How else would the regulation have disappeared?

We can expect peace only when we find justice again. Our finger waving sneering image is what the world thinks we are. That image is what we elected. Too many of us were deluded. We should have had more sense.

But along with justice we need start displaying the common sense we were once known for.

What is good for the future of America? Can that be reconciled with what is good for the world? I believe Ross Anderson thinks it can be done without creation a New World Order, which is nothing more than dividing the spoils amongst the elite.

The New World Order isn’t very American when you look at it. It’s just lords in expensive suits and serfs in the dark of the poverty of spirit. The New World Order is capitulation to the elite idea that we can’t govern ourselves.

They’ve even tried to put in the fix. They’ve stolen our right to issue our own currency. And they’ve mortgaged the next three generations. We now have a political system they own utterly. But, they still don’t own us. And we know where they live.

Can there be peace in the middle east? Yes, but we can’t dictate it. We have to back off from an immoral, illogical, and imperialistic stance. That said, if oil companies want to do business with the middle east, they should have to cut deals that are based on sound economics for everyone, not based on troops, cruise missiles, and drones.

I’m not claiming any special knowledge of international affairs. But I think I know what the American image in the world should be. I think Rocky Anderson knows as well. We’re a nation based on the idea of peace, democracy, and equality ostensibly. We need to clean that act up and restore it internally and externally.

We need to demand the redress for which we are entitled. We are entitled because of our Constitution and Bill of Rights and that’s not an entitlement program. It is the reason the Founders stuck their necks out against the all powerful. We have to resist the elite and the established political machines.

We’re right in our resistance to absolute power of any elite. And we should be. We are what the founders envisioned. We owe them our liberty. We should not give it up by being complacent. We have to demand democracy and be ever vigilant of it. Just as the Founders said we must be. If necessary, we must fight. But why should we have to? Why must we have to resist our own government? They should be working in our interest. But the founders knew they could be corrupted. And that’s why the People must control Them. There should be no them; they must remember they are we.

If we were empowered by an untainted, unsullied election process, if votes actually counted, we would not have politicians bought off by lobbyists or subject to outside influence.

The people would not vote for war or support of those who do. We wouldn’t oppress other people nor allow special influence groups, religious, or philosophical, or commercial, to take away matters of personal choice, or privacy, or liberty. Americans wouldn’t do that. And true public servants wouldn’t allow it. Because it would be UN-American to do so.

We have a Tax Code that allows the elite to use our taxes for their own political purpose and power. It allows veiled bribes to political campaigns. It allows the elite corporations to divert taxes they owe our Treasury into the campaign coffers or politicians. It allows those contributions to flow through lobbyist attached to legislation those corrupt politicians rubber stamp. It is favor bought and sold by tax code. It is not democracy.

We each have to decide what the meaning of democracy is. It’s pretty simple really and we don’t have one. Because democracy by it’s definition cannot be bought. We have to decide what individual liberty is and that’s simple too. The definition of liberty for me is exactly what Voltaire said, “My freedom to swing my fists ends where your nose begins”. We don’t have that either. And politicians continue to deliver bloody noses to the third world and black eyes honesty in our name.

Rocky Anderson understands, and that’s why his ideas are important. I don’t think he considers himself important, but the idea of America is. He understands the message delivered to the British and he understand that Declaration of Independence must be delivered to Wall Street and to the Republican and Democratic parties they own.

JH Gordon author of
Fireclosure
http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/98807
Steve Levine commented 2012-04-22 09:04:13 -0600 · Flag
Too late. He shows himself in all his debased, anti-deist, twisted and motor mouth glory. Sorry Rocky.

Or maybe, if you agree with his racist rants (ask him to tell you some of his grotesque names for the President), you’ll see it as an advantage to having The Smartest Man in the Room working for you.

And if you REALLY want to hear some of bob’s erudition (did I spell that right, bob?) and wisdom, ask him about his very sensible & sensitive justification for the german Holocaust.

Folks, I can only tell you you’re in for a real treat!
Robert Hauser commented 2012-04-21 20:31:21 -0600 · Flag
Hello, Steve…figured a bad coin like you would sooner or later rise to the surface on this site as well as all the others you have infested. First off, what right have you to assume that Rocky has not already met with representatives of both sides or has not fully planned to in a timely manner?…and what right do you have to assume (which makes an ASS out of U and ME) that his position has been cast in bronze, never to be altered as and when conditions may dictate?

Now are you going to further arrogate yourself to the position of screening for “suitability” those who seek to support Anderson? In order to support Rocky Anderson, is each of us now required to meet or exceed the Levine Suitability Index?

For the enlightenment and benefit of all on this thread, would you be so kind as to define what you mean by “antisemite”, Steve?…I really and truly don’t know what you mean by that term because so far the working definition of “antisemite” is anyone, anywhere that any jew does not happen to like personally. Sociology is not an exact science and is largely if not entirely observational. If by that supposedly stigma-implanting fright-peddler’s term of contempt you mean “antijewish” then say “antijewish”…if you mean antitalmudic or opposed to the teachings of the talmud, then say “antitalmudic”—-because the word “antisemite” was coined back in the 1870s and is about the most comically meaningless turn of phrase on the earth.

Now if you regard me as “anti-jewish” or “judeophobic” because I do not now nor have I ever believed that ethnic or talmudic jews have ever once throughout their history been “chosen” by any anthropomorphic jewish “god” up there to rule over the gentile rest of us and “use us as footstools”, then at least have the decency to explain that to the people here. Otherwise they might just come to entertain serious doubts as to your sanity.

By the way, Steve…the word is “renowned”….try to at least show some small degree of professionalism if you are going to haunt and take up space and be dead weight on this thread.
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