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Adam Pedersen commented 2012-07-25 14:58:19 -0600 · Flag
Morality is a big gray area. What is not a gray area is violence and imprisonment. The people that claim to know the one true Morality and force their will on others are the most immoral. That is all you need to know.
Daniel Penisten commented 2012-07-25 14:18:35 -0600 · Flag
Hi Adam. The cartels had guns and perpetuated violence before the authorities reacted. The cartels care nothing about Freedom. They are the darkest side of dark Capitalism.

“The default state is freedom.” This is interesting. This is an incomplete statement. It doesn’t indicate just how far Freedom should be pursued. Freedom could be pursued unto utter horror. Total Freedom is Anarchy, where Freedom lovers begin to eat each others Freedoms…impose personal Freedom on others personal Freedoms. “Default” as in that which occurs Naturally? Or “default” as that which is provided by majority opinion and effort to implement as social contract? Please help me to understand this concept?

I struggle with the rightness of imposing morality on others. It seems that Morality should stand and be itself rather than march on different viewpoints. Morality should serve Humanity as example, not as a force for change for the Better. But to tell the Truth, I am confused about this. Is there a time when Morality in the good Hearts and Minds of Good American Citizens should be imposed on others? If the others are motivated and live by immorality, then maybe so. But We must be very careful about what We mean by “Morality”…it must Truly be Morality. Hmmm. One point at which Morality begins to become less than Morality is when it is imposed on others? Maybe? I don’t know. There are subtleties here that escape me…that I struggle to comprehend.

Adam? May I ask you this? What is Moral about seeking to become wealthy off of people’s weaknesses? What is Moral about the people’s weaknesses? Isn’t it the highest Moral Purpose to ever strive to become More and Better…to “Be All We Can Be”? How does drug dependency enable this? Isn’t drug use/abuse the lesser of the two choices? That which undermines Morality undermines the Quality of Life Itself.

Having said the above, I do need to state that I am no fan of vested authority that has been bought by wealth and power interests. I sincerely struggle with believing in the Morality of present vested authority, (which seems to be coming more and more under the control of the corporate new world order), as it wages its “War On Drugs”. Intuitively I suspect that big profits are being made in this process. That Morality is just the facade behind which darker forces operate for self.

“Government aggression created the mob”.

No. The “mob” existed before alcohol prohibition. It flourished from alcohol prohibition. Again the immoral, (profit seekers), saw opportunity to get rich off of Morality Imposition. From the beginning of Our Species this has been. May it not always be.
Adam Pedersen commented 2012-07-25 13:23:12 -0600 · Flag
Daniel: “I will arm myself and my associates, in order to stand against … law enforcement”

You have the chronology backwards. The default state is freedom. A free, honest market for drugs existed (like alcohol & tobacco now), then nosy authoritarians got the chance to impose their morality on others, and put people in cages at the point of a gun. THEN, others rose to fill the demand, and armed themselves against the government aggressors.

This is clear if you have any knowledge of the history of alcohol prohibition – government aggression created the mob.

Now you blame the gangsters for being violent, and want to crack down on drug distributors, which you admit has only a tiny temporary effect. Instead, why not fix the root problem – government aggression? Remove that, and the violence will disappear. There will be no reason for it.

The only way anyone can logically oppose this argument that I can see is this: To believe it is acceptable to impose your view of morality on others’ freedom, at the point of a gun. To support an authoritarian viewpoint is to support violence.
Daniel Penisten commented 2012-07-25 13:04:04 -0600 · Flag
Good morning Adam. Yes, I see what you see about my conflict of statement. Thank you for pointing this out to me. I will attempt to straighten this seeming “conflict” out…in my own mind and here.

You shared with Us that: “But the violence inherent in the drug trade is a reaction to drug prohibition.”

Is this saying something like: “I do not agree with or like this prohibition law. It prevents me from making lots of money, that I am too weak to make in an honest way. Therefore I will arm myself and my associates, in order to stand against and even prevail against law enforcement that seeks to stop what I do.” Violence is “inherent in the drug trade”, but is only partly a reaction to prohibition.

My position on the criminal treatment of hard drugs is based on what I see about the violence between drug cartels who compete violently for bigger shares of the hard drug market. I believe these “gangsters” would be violent, whether there is a prohibition against hard drugs or not. They generally don’t care who they hurt for their black profits. Occasionally Innocent people are harmed by these.

Another source of violence, in addition to the violence undertaken by aggressive law enforcement against equally violent drug lords. is that of the user who struggles to obtain the funds to buy the drugs to use. Many an innocent Citizen has been harmed by robberies committed to get drug money.

Prohibition, (the operating forces thereof), is not the only source of violence in this tragic Human phenomena.

When all an Individual has done, to be incarcerated, is carry on their person some quantity of Marijuana Then I do not think they are criminal. I do not think that the use of Marijuana should be prohibited or criminal. Nor the cultivation of it. My only worry regarding this herb is that it tends to, (in many Individuals), cause a lessening of certain aspects of the “Work Ethic”. A brain in a euphoric state tends to not care so much about working, or getting a job done. This, potentially, could be collectively harmful to the nation as a whole. I know at least one person who is not happy unless they are in Marijuana induced euphoric state. This leads me to believe that there may be many more in the same condition.

It is what hard drugs does to Individuals that makes me wish it was nonexistent. it saddens me a great deal, to know that there are Humans that have to use these types of crutches to be pseudo-happy.

This is the dark side of personal “Freedom”. These types disrupt the lives of those of Us who do not need to have constant “crutching”. Who find the Natural Strengths in Ourselves to be Good Citizens Of Our Nation in the pursuit of the ever More and Better American Vision.

But, then on the other hand, these types do test Our Strengths and reveal to Us what not to be…or should not be. In this sense they are teachers.
Adam Pedersen commented 2012-07-24 19:51:28 -0600 · Flag
Daniel, there seems to be a conflict in your statement. On one hand, you advocate people paying “the criminal price” for participating in the black market for hard drugs. On the other hand, you say non-violent people should not be in cages. But the violence inherent in the drug trade is a reaction to drug prohibition. If the war on drugs created the violence, it cannot also be the solution.

Prohibition is an act of violence, therefore it causes violence. ALL drugs must be legalized and regulated – hard, soft, and prescription.

“Out of a flow representing trillions of dollars, billions of dollars worth of interceptions has happened”
And how many trillions of damage have been caused by the violence of prohibition? How many criminals created? Yet this is justified by a tiny reduction in flow that hasn’t been proven to be any larger than the reduction that could caused by a peaceful policy that respects personal freedom.
Daniel Penisten commented 2012-07-24 18:35:12 -0600 · Flag
Adam Pedersen replied to my comment: "Daniel, everyone believes the abuse of drugs should stop…

Good. Then maybe this weakness will stop some day. …– do you really believe the “war on drugs” does anything to stop the abuse of drugs?

Yes. It stems the flow of illegal narcotics a little. A little is better than none. Out of a flow representing trillions of dollars, billions of dollars worth of interceptions has happened. Putting people in cages for a victimless crime increases violence in our society.

By “victimless crime” I assume that you are referring to Marijuana related offenders, who were busted for possession. These should be released and Marijuana and Hemp growing should be legalized. Unless violence does happen in relation to these activities.

But there is a whole other drug abuse sector, (Crank, Crack, Heroin, Cocaine, and other “cocktails”), where the drug itself, or the craving for it has caused harm to People and property. Whether a Human is on drugs or not, they should pay the criminal price for violence on members of society. Drugs of this sort bring harm to Human states of consciousness. It does not eliminate the market, it only raises the prices & potential reward for dealers.

True. Unfortunately true. The “War On Drugs” only makes it harder and riskier to profit in this dark enterprise. Legalization combined with information & treatment-based programs would be far more effective at reducing addiction, and would release hundreds of thousands of non-violent people from cages."

There has been success at treatment. I do not know if treated and “cured” addicts, number more than those who have harmed others and themselves because of this dependency. I hope you are right about additional levels of treatment. “Hundreds of thousands of non-violent people” should not be in cages. Nor should they be non-productive members of Our Society.
Herb Neu commented 2012-07-24 17:39:16 -0600 · Flag
The superPACs of both parties will be spending close to combined $2-billion in an effort to get voters to believe their propaganda. How will Mr. Anderson be able to achieve top-of-mind awareness among all voters? Nevertheless, he has my vote, which probably may be a write-in here in Alabama.
Adam Pedersen commented 2012-07-24 17:04:10 -0600 · Flag
Daniel, everyone believes the abuse of drugs should stop – do you really believe the “war on drugs” does anything to stop the abuse of drugs? Putting people in cages for a victimless crime increases violence in our society. It does not eliminate the market, it only raises the prices & potential reward for dealers. Legalization combined with information & treatment-based programs would be far more effective at reducing addiction, and would release hundreds of thousands of non-violent people from cages.
Daniel Penisten commented 2012-07-24 16:43:49 -0600 · Flag
Though I believe the People’s abuse of “drugs” should stop, because this is unhealthy for Our Country, I am with The People and Rocky on the other issues of this ad. Rocky Anderson has my vote in November. The only way to find out if a campaigner is just another politician is to put them in office to show what they really are. Rocky just might be the True Leader that Our Nation has needed for a long time.
Adam Pedersen commented 2012-07-24 15:08:46 -0600 · Flag
Now THIS is a good ad.
Alan Hyman commented 2012-07-24 12:45:02 -0600 · Flag
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D'Marie Mulattieri commented 2012-07-24 12:36:50 -0600 · Flag
Excellent, a picture is worth a thousand words . . . it is evident Rocky’s platform reflects the majority of Americans, unlike either Obama or Romney! Rocky has my vote in November!
Herb Neu commented 2012-07-24 12:33:50 -0600 · Flag
I really like this candidate. His support is beginning to snowball and this might change the game a bit. He talks the talk and walks the walk.
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